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    Posted: 21 June 2009 at 8:34pm
Hi Folks,
 
I was considering Tuesday for a day out in the Solent to drift some Bass. We have a 3.5 metre range.
 
Am I wasting my time and better advised to keep the time I am owed at work until a better tide appears (next week).
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by a 3.5m range?

Portsmouth - Neap 3.9m; Low 1.6

Inner marks from Dean Sands to Nab 5  won't move a great deal.

Ideal time to go to SE of the Nab or further out to drift the wrecks.

Personally, I'd go to Brighton!

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I had a look at www.easytide.co.uk and at Cowes, low water will be 0.7 metres and high water will be 4.2 metres. So the tide will go up 3.5 metres from low to high (its range). This is quite a lot of movement and means strong flows. 
 
I just found a website that has tidal range data and the worse it can get (like every 25 years - is 4.5 metres). That is the difference between lowest astronomical tide and highest.  This doesn't happen often (I think - need to read more).
 
The "normal" worst case is about 3.5 metres (difference between mean low water spring and mean high water spring). This is the Tuesday/Wednesday scenario.
 
Whenever I have been out in strong flows the fishing has been bad, bad, bad.   I was wondering if anyone says "strong tide is good; get out there and stop being a prat" or can suggest a somewhere wher ethere is little fow (as you did - so thanks for that).
 
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Terry, this is where your tidal flow charts come into their own. Even on a big tide there will be slacks and eddies and bits of the ocean where the tide runs less.
 
The tidal flow out round the Nab is often slower than elsewhere.
 
You may have to move around a bit at vaious states of the tides but you can fish productiove areas all day and never use more than 10oz.
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Hi Andy,
 
I'll be out and about Friday now. Work has gone manic but I'll be back in control by Friday.
 
Yep, I'll have a right set-to with the tide flow diagrams and see if I can work out a programme of spots to visit. I'll see if I can work out a route and timing that makes use of the tide to ease the fuel usage as well.
 
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Hi Terry, I am out as well on Friday, weather permitting. Might start off at Bullocks for bream after a spot of mackie bashing at Dean Tail.
 
HW is about 2pm, LW at 8am so the only bit of the day when the tide might get away is between about 9.30 and 12.
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Terry,
I was planning on getting out Friday, but can't due to work, but for what its worth, here's my plan A and plan B.
 
A:- Just after 8, go to the forts, pick up some fresh mackerel. Alternatively get out to bullocks and drift with baited lures for some small pout. Then as the tide starts to run proper you've got the baks by Dunnose or the overfalls. Livebait the banks with a Portland rig for the bass. I've already done this at Dunnose and though I got toped out at the overfalls, the bigger tides should bring on the bass and discourage the tope.
 
B:- As the big tide runs off, head to Calshot spit. As the fast tide sweeps the fry over the spit from the deep water the bass congregate in the numerous small depressions an hammer them. Snowy and I have done this before with small regills, the bass love them and I've had bass to 5lb using this method.
Alternativel, the same phenomena happens at the mouth of Langstone with the bass creaming into the fry over the shallow banks either side. It can be realy hectice and fun. And if you really want a fight, fly fish for them with an 8wt floating line flouro tip ( so it sinks) and a deceiver ( fry immitation). Its deadly and the bass put up a hell of a fight.
 
Or just follow Andy and laugh at his red head and belly as he looks like Santa at the moment he's caught so much sun.
 
Best of luck.
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FF and Andy.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a go.
 
I'll be calling on the hour to see whether anyone else is around.
 
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Another idea Terry is to fish in the shallows.  I tried Lepe last night.  Initially in 25ft of water and the strong tide made the weed too troublesome.  Moved in to 15ft of water and the weed and tide were fine and we were able to fish with 4oz weights in a raging spring tide.  There were 3 of us and we caught smoothhounds, bass, bream, mackerel amongst multiple dogfish.
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Hello i fished Sandown on Wednesday and the tide was ok not to much weed about just remember to let enough anchor rope out and most places you can fish in big tides
 
for drift fishing if you want to slow the drift down click the engine in gear and point the bow into the tide its handy if the wife is with you so she can do this why you carry on fishing
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