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    Posted: 20 January 2013 at 1:04pm
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10173465.Solent_marine_conservation_zone_rejected/

Self explanatory and "phew!" This has been revisited before of course but it was the "evidence" that tiggled me in this reference....

I love it when they say the wildlife trust submitted "much evidence" I don't recall seeing anyone soliciting opinions from anglers or bait diggers around the area? We probably have more insight into what's going on down there than most.

I am all for conservation as are most of the anglers I know on here but I do wish if people want to try and prove a point or have influence they take the time to actually gather some genuine evidence to support their views.
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I disagree in this case Paul. I think it sad than there were no MCZ's around our area.  They may have improved the fishing long term.
 
I think there's another post in the forum on this with quite a lot of detail.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with the concept at all Hugh but I get frustrated when one side or the other attempts to present a half baked case. In this case the Hants and IoW conservation society may have done themselves and us and the public a disservice by presenting a flimsey case. I wouldn't want any zone created for the wrong reasons.

It is in a similar vein to the RSPB presenting the case against bait diggers locally. No real evidence as to damage or disturbance to habitat but making big claims without real facts to justify their position.

I recall the RSPB for example objecting to an application I was helping with to allow PWC's to use Tipner lake for training. They objected as it would "disturb the geese" They haven't to date replied why the noise from the motorways on two sides of it and the firing range didn't disturb them....

Their objections were eventually accepted by QHM and there was no PWC training to be had there. That was until money came into the equation and now Tipner is going to be developed with a major building project another slip road and 1200 homes and businesses....
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I think the concern may have been how much of our prime grounds are designated MCZ, but other than that I am with you Hugh. We all have to do our bit, if we all give up a bit then everyone benefits.

The country is in a sh*t state and we have to pay more tax, no problem I'll be the first to put my hand in my pocket providing WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER, but not keen if the spongers get a cushy deal and the toffs worm their way out of it. Similarly we should be prepared to give up some of our prime spots for the benefit of our fish stocks, however if the fish quotes don't change or the pussies at the EU allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to rape our seas then I am against it.
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Remember Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth have no real problem with anglers at all. For them conservation of fish stocks is all about the method of capture. Line caught they have no issues with at all as it is sustainable. The commercials netting in vast quantities and the quota/discard situation is the real issue.

That's not to say we should hoik out every single thing we get on the hook but whatever we take for the table is not really a problem. Catch and release for anything else is pretty much practiced by every one I know on here so we already do our bit for conservation such as it is.

One area we could possibly do more is in the tagging of fish and such like? That said when I raised the subject of research into these sorts of issues before no one seemed interested or indeed were negative towards the idea?
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you need tagging, then we can get all skillys fav marks Wink LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hchawner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2013 at 11:32pm

Didn't mean to imply you are anti conservation Paul.  Just was a pity that none of the MCZ's in our area were approved.

Got to go to bed now as I was up at 4.00am,  and spent the whole day practicing catch and release with the ever enthusiastic Nab pout population.    Wink  
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Well I must be greedy as I'm glad none of them locally to me got approved. I knew it wouldn't happen and stated
that from the start, but nope they carried on and wasted how much money??? If we want to preserve fish stocks then stop the trawlers that hammer the seas and the sea beds, and get them to give up some of their favourite spots and do their bit! Very unlikely!
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WHAT REALLY  GRINDS  MY  GEARS  IS THE DREDGERS  WHEN THEY  SUCK UP THE SEA  BED  IT ALL GOES UO   FISH  WEED  ALL THE  CRUSTACEANS  EVEN THE DOGS   THE  ONLY  THING  LEFT  IS  BARE  ROCK  ONCE THEY  HAVE  HIT AN AREA NOW THATS  A REAL PROBLEM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2013 at 8:12am
I will stick my neck out and say I was pro MCZs, in principle, provided they were properly researched, properly identified and properly implemented and policed.

This was provided they stuck to their original brief which was to have no impact on recreational angling save for the banning of anchoring in very small areas.

If this had been the case then the benefits to anglers would have been enormous for very little sacrifice.
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