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as you  say  67  for  routine  16  only  in an emergency
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Originally posted by hightower hightower wrote:

One interesting note to be made about using life jackets at anchor is that if you do fall in and the life jacket inflates then you can't swim with it inflated as it turns you on your back. That means that there's no real chance of swimming back to the boat and you just float off down tide Cry

If you go in the drink in the UK without a jacket on there is virtually no chance of swimming back what so ever anyway. Then ten seconds later would you prefer to have one on or not as you float of downtide in the cold water....? Shock alone as you hit the water will stop you swimming immediately. There is nothing to grab onto on the side of a boat as you float down past it even if you went in at the bow.
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vhf you need a licence in the UK for one fitted to the boat and a personal license to use it or someone on the boat needs it and give you permission to use it.

No one is going to fine you for calling in a Mayday of course.

The VHF license fee was abolished in the UK a couple of years ago I think it was as it was indeed recognised as a safety device and they wanted to encourage it's use and registration of vessels. It is a device that needs to be regulated to stop the idiots on it doing broadcasts and such like. There is a lot of cost involved if people "muck about" and "have a joke/laugh" by calling out the coastguard chopper etc and there needs to be legal recourse as  a deterrent and means of enforcement.

You can tell the peeps calling on ch16 for radio checks clearly don't have licences. If you haven't done the course how do you know whether to give a bearing from or bearing to a point to give your position for example? They are the same peeps who sign off by saying the movie phrase "over and out" and if you don't know why that's funny you need to get on a VHF course! :-)
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Regardless....... I like to see the healthy (and unhealthy) debate about safety issues on here everyone will have different views on the level of risk they are prepared to accept for themselves and others in their care. I (and now dare I include Mr Piggy ;-) ) do just about as much as possible when going out. I wear a life jacket 99.9 % of the time (yep even I forget sometimes) and don't find it gets it the way whilst fishing, driving ribs or sailing. I also have all the other goodies on my person / on the boat. I do hope one teeny bit affects your decisions when you go out though and hope that one day one of us and our families and friends will benefit from it.

If anyone really wants to be educated in the subject properly though Ray and I have volunteered and will sit you between us and gladly prop up a bar in a pub somewhere and give you the full benefit of all our experience, knowledge and wisdom on the subject and much more too and the later it gets the more free advice you will get ..... :-)




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Wow, who could miss such a wonderful oppertunity.
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Mate I think the conversation on fishing would last 10 mins then we would put the world to rites lol
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Originally posted by boatfisher boatfisher wrote:

Originally posted by hightower hightower wrote:

One interesting note to be made about using life jackets at anchor is that if you do fall in and the life jacket inflates then you can't swim with it inflated as it turns you on your back. That means that there's no real chance of swimming back to the boat and you just float off down tide Cry

If you go in the drink in the UK without a jacket on there is virtually no chance of swimming back what so ever anyway. Then ten seconds later would you prefer to have one on or not as you float of downtide in the cold water....? Shock alone as you hit the water will stop you swimming immediately. There is nothing to grab onto on the side of a boat as you float down past it even if you went in at the bow.
Again not necessarily true. If the water is that cold that shock will stop you from swimming, (I doubt this as I have seen people run straight from a sauna, jump into a frozen lake and swim around!) and you are somewhere with tides that strong that returning to the boat is impossible, a life jacket alone is only going to change it from death by drowning to hypothermia. You need to be in a floatation suit. I certainly would be!
 Do you only fish in the winter? most of the year our inshore waters are quite warm.
 You are also assuming that we all fish in large boats with inboard engines. Most people who are out in thier own boats will have an outboard mounted to a low transom and therefor a means of boarding. My boat like nearly all American designed or built, and more recently most european sports fishers have a small transom platform with fold down ladder specifically for boarding from the water. As long as you are reasonably fit, can swim a bit, and not wearing really heavy boots, re-boarding should not be too dificult at all.
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The Solent waters can indeed reach 15 degrees in the summer - an average pre-hyperthermic time dependent on body fat, metabolism, wind speed / direction and sea state can be up to 3 or 4 hours which may sound pretty good - depending on which way the tide / current is taking you and presuming of course you enter the water conscious and, if you do enter the water unconscious, presuming your life jacket turns you over (there is no guarantee that will happen).

To presume you can get back on your boat, regardless how low the transom, when cold, possibly injured is not necessarily correct. Particularly smaller dinghies where a 14 stone man will easily flip the boat trying to get in. The more you try, the weaker you get. Transom ladders are a good thing but only when they are lowered and that's not always easy to do with only your head above water.

I have worked with Portsmouth University and the legendary Mike Tipton, Professor of Naval Medicine and the world leading authority on cold water shock (look him up on Google) so I speak from personal experience.

There are many variables to every case - it's why accidents are called accidents.  I am all for anyone making their own decisions, I don't believe in been told what to do - that is until the time that person needs rescuing and he is then quite prepared to call for help and is happy for others to put themselves at risk to be saved.  That is just selfish, thoughtless and damn-right stupid.  When all of the science and research shows that proper training and having the right kit minimises risks (for you and others), why would anyone disregard it?  If it is a case of money, then that is a different argument that needs to be had.  If there continue to be cases of negligent accidents at sea where victims have shown contempt for their safety (and others), then the government will consider compulsory licensing for us all. And that really will be a wake up call.  Personally, I'm all for that already but I realise not everyone agrees - it certainly works well in France.
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I some case the right kit and training can be a 50 meter swimming crtificate and a pair of swim shorts. I think that calling some one damn right stupid for being in a boat withot out a life jacket without taking into consideration of any of the cicumstances of the place, weather, water, individual and activty is damn right stupid itself. Every commercial fisherman in the country must be damn right stupid. Every rower in every rowing club round the country damn right stupid. Every merchant sailor or car ferry paasenger damn right stupid. And just about every body I know who fishes in the places I do damn right stupid. Still you must be right about everything because you know a professor which makes you just the man to dish out the insults. 
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Good luck with your fishing Larus - make sure you keep that mobile phone of yours charged up and a pair of speedos in your boat locker.
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