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Made an early start, and followed Snowy's advice. We we trolled a very small (75mm) white delta eel weighted with a swan shot around Horse Sand fort at 7.45am this morning.  

Caught one bass, and three mackeral on the delta eel. There were numerous birds working round the fort. 

The wind was c. F4 gusting F5 from the West against the tide, and was increasing, so it was pretty lumpy in a sixteen foot boat, and we only stayed for 45 minutes. Had another three mackeral on shrimp feathers (all three at one) just before headed back to Portsmouth.  

Will try again on a nice calm morning!

Thanks for all the advice. Hugh

 

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Well done Hugh, glad it worked for you. Your catch rate will improve as you get used to the method. When it is really windy the lure can be lifted right onto the surface by the bow in the line. When that happens you may need to up your weight to 1/4 or 1/2 ounce by using a drilled bullet.

Great fun when they hit the lure though, no one ever asks 'Is that a bite'!
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hi all great site i am going out this afternoon to try will post any results
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I have a couple of other questions on this (trolling) technique.

Do the bass and mackeral swim at the same level, or do the bass swim under the mackeral (or vice versa)?  The reason I ask is that we were catching more mackeral than bass. I wonder whether the delta eel was high in the water?

(I do admit that one bass and three mackeral is not exactly a huge statistical sample to draw any conclusion from!

I saw some fish breaking the surface (with the birds above them). Are these bass or mackeral?

Again, any advice gratefully accepted..... all part of my ongoing fishing education.

Thanks

Hugh

NB I swtched the echo sounder off whilst trolling.

 

 

 

 

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Hugh, I think you will find the answer is 'both' in each case. The predators, Bass and Mackerel, chase the whitebait/sandeels.

They generally chase the bait fish upwards where they boil on the surface. It is that what attracts the birds and gives us an indication of the bass/mackerels presence.

It then becomes a free for all with both species competing for food and therefore being in the same place at the same depth.

You may find that the bigger bass are more solitary and hang back from the main feeding frenzy. I believe those fish feed on the mackerel themselves and stay deeper in the water.

I hasten to add that this is simply my opinion and has no basis in fact. It is what I have seen and the conclusion I have drawn and may be absolute twaddle!!!
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Royalpython, welcome to the site have a great time and let us know how you get on.
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Snowy, 

You're spot on with your conclusions, that's what I've found too and lets face it we use exactly the same technique.

Got to get you into fly fishing soon, you'll love it

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Hello,

I havn't been able to take the boat out for the last six weeks due to a holiday in Spain, various family commitments and the weather.

I plan to launch from Portsmouth this week, maybe Thursday, and try some trolling.

Are the bass and mackeral, still shoaling (under working birds), or have I "missed the boat" for this year?

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Hugh

 

 

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Hugh,

The boat has not even set off yet. There have not been many birds working at all this year and none at 'our' end for the past couple of months.

The water is dirty and the fish just have not shoaled up yet. Lure fishing for bass is hopeless at the moment although the bait fishing is reasonable.

The latter end of the year was best last year with September through to December producing the goods. A decent settled spell would give the water a chance to clear, the fish a chance to shoal, and the year could yet be salvaged.

Good hunting.

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Andy,

Sorry the lure fishing has been poor while I have been on my travels. Last time we went out (at the end of June) the forts were a hive of bird and fish activity - we even managed to catch a few small bass on mackeral using the trolling techniques you recommended!

So it seems I would be better dangling something tasty on a hook over the side of the boat.

Anywhere you would recommend?  We are still novices, so I'm looking for somewhere (fairely) close to Portsmouth rather than "8 miles SW of St Catherines Point".

Any advice greatly appreciated - as always.

Hugh

(PS putting a box of forlorn tiny white delta eels right at the bottom of my tackle bag as I type.)

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