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Originally posted by boatfisher boatfisher wrote:

Libraries? You are far to keen, you should get out fishing more instead :-) there is a short quick way now to achieve all that you want to know about a mark.............
 

Paul, a very interesting and informative post. The hard bit about finding your own marks is knowing what is a “fishy” spot. We have been going out in our boat for 3 years now and try to find our own marks. Generally looking for features on the bottom that look as if they might hold fish but we don’t always agree on what’s best, e.g. the bottom of a gully, the top of a bank or fish on the slope of a drop off etc. The fishfinder we use a Raymarine C80 doesn’t appear to give any reliable indications of fish, you can always convince yourself it shows something. So the real skill, which we clearly haven’t got, is knowing what factors add up to make it a good spot. You mention tide, pressure etc and obviously time of year and what species are indigenous and what are migratory etc. Getting “the knowledge” is what takes years and there is no quick fix. I have been a course angler for 50 years and it is easy to walk a river bank or round a lake and pick out the fishy swims. The same cannot be said when I am looking at a few square miles of open sea. If we do have a reasonable day we don’t know why, so to repeat it is difficult. I think we need to be more dedicated, we obviously enjoy being out there more than the catching of fish.
So after all that rambling to get back on topic the best achievement in my mind is catching from your own boat, but if you want to catch fish and get value for money go out on a charter. The costs are minimal, there’s no mooring fees, no scrubbing down no maintenance a very good chance of catching fish and normally some good banter to have as well.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ahab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2013 at 1:41pm
Try keeping a log mate ie rig time weather. Pressure. Tide. Tome. Ebb or. Flow. Was it overcast. Ect
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote one.watt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2013 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by boatfisher boatfisher wrote:

Libraries? You are far to keen, you should get out fishing more instead :-) there is a short quick way now to achieve all that you want to know about a mark..... Wreckfinder apps or the wreck database web site. Tides planner  or Boatie apps for times, directions and flows at the touch of a button. Then for good measure a quick side scan or down scan from a suitable bit of kit will give you an image almost like a photo to confirm at least a few fish down there. 

Not only that but fishing has changed dramatically over the last 20 years and many wrecks will not fish the same now as before and a commercial trawler going through the  night before will bu**er up the best of marks no matter what the library says.

There are also to many variables without a consistent data source (fish stock, bait fish stock levels etc) to make any exact predictions. Shell fish beds change with sandbank moves and such like so I think too detailed an analysis is not worth the effort any more than doing a bit of "instant research".

Most of the time to do some "proper" wrecking you will need to almost hit mid channel these days to find any decent fish. For each tidal state there are infinite wind directions and pressures to change it all again too so anything more than a generalisation about a mark is impossible to achieve let alone over hundreds or thousands of potential marks. Indeed a detailed set of charts in fishing mode coupled with a tide planner app and downscanner will give far more reliable and exact information and data on the fly.

I am all for finding new marks and there are thousands upon thousands of them out there but each one will change daily even if the conditions are the same. 


You are right, to do some "proper" wrecking, you do need to hit at least the mid channel wrecks, this is why I go further than the mid channel wrecks, just last weekend I was much nearer to France and In there waters than I was our own, all In a 18' shetland, so it frustrates me to hear on the forum you guys saying that we are "probably on a charter skippers mark" I just think dream on, you would never take paying customers as far as we do as you wouldnt want to pay the fuel bills :-)

Yes the library? What's wrong with that????? There is a whole information section dedicated to wrecks in the library and I have found it a lot more accurate than the wreck site etc, infact jan gittens who started the wreck site got a lot of his information about wrecks in this area from myself many years ago, we exchanged information freely back then and he used it to make the site your guys believe as being accurate now ,

Facebook is good for information also all ;-) ;-) you can learn how to tie rigs on there ;-) ;-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snowy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 7:04am
Got to take issue with the distance, charter boats regularly do the French wrecks and often overnight in Cherbourg. If the fishing demands it I have travelled 58 miles offshore.
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You say "it frustrates me to hear on the forum you guys saying that we are "probably on a charter skippers mark" I just think dream on, you would never take paying customers as far as we do as you wouldnt want to pay the fuel bills :-)"

Your knowledge of wrecking on top charter boats is obviously very limited or probably non existent.

A top charter skipper will take his 'crew' to wherever he thinks he can catch the most fish of the target species.
Fishing from some of the very best charter boats over the past 40 years I have fished everywhere in the Channel and its approaches, from alongside the French coast to beyond the Sicily Isles making catches of in excess of two tonnes of Cod and Ling, Conger and Pollack.
Just a few years ago my group gave away 17 boxes of fillets to the retired folk of Weymouth because we had caught way beyond what we required for our personal use, these fish being caught beyond the range of the Brixham netters.
The best charter skippers really know their business and they will not let a few hundred gallons of fuel deter them from giving their anglers what they have paid for.
Try it and see, but whatever, please take care of yourself if your going 'across to the other side' in an 18 footer, the sea can be a cruel master.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote one.watt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 7:34am
Ok fair enough, I will retract the comments about charters not wanting to do the distance, if they get to the offshore wrecks at that kind of distance then fair enough, I have not seen any out there though, in my experience they tend to drop out at around the 25-30 mile wrecks. That's just what I see.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ahab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 1:44pm
i just  get  bored at the  helm  if im  there  longer  than an hour  does  get  very  boreing
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ekyone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 3:29pm
Most charters will take you anywhere you want if you pre-arrange the trip, however don't expect to pay the same to do a 40 mile wreck as you would to do the Nab! Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote boatfisher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 9:47pm
It is not the charter skipper that drops the charter boats out at that range it is the customers. distance is determined by fuel consumption and how much the customers want to pay. I would take you to South America if you want to pay the extra fuel and time :-)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote one.watt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2013 at 9:53pm
Could you take me to the florida keys?? Haha I have had some cracking fish there each of the last 6 years
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